topic Rif.: 5.1 DD audio over HDMI-ARC from DVB tuner in Android TV

5.1 DD audio over HDMI-ARC from DVB tuner

lancey_ss — Thu, 28 Jan 2016 14:12:41 GMT

Hi all,

I'm returning my Philips Android TV 49PUS7600 as it's unable to output multichannel audio over the HDMI-ARC connection when input is the onboard TV tuner (DVB-C signal).

One of the options I have for replacing is the Sony X85 series. Can anyone confirm you are getting 5.1 output correctly over the HDMI ARC connection from the 2015 Bravia Android TVs when source is the on-board tuner?

Thanks.

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rooobb — Thu, 28 Jan 2016 14:56:49 GMT

Yes both by HDMIARC and optical

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lancey_ss — Thu, 28 Jan 2016 15:11:25 GMT

Thank you very much. So indeed it's not an Android problem, but rather specific to Philips. They are dead silent on the subject...

Anything else which should bother me to not purchase an X85 series?

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Caledonian_TV — Thu, 28 Jan 2016 16:15:01 GMT

@lancey_ss wrote:

Anything else which should bother me to not purchase an X85 series?

Try reading the 450+ page thread of issues that exist with these sets... "2015 Bravia Android Issues".

Personally, before sending my set back to Sony my problems included but were not limited to...

1) Hit-and-miss ARC support. - I tried in excess of a dozen different units with mixed results.

2) SEVERE lip-synch issues with HDMI sources - which varied from unit to unit and even (in the case of BD players) disc-to-disc when the set was configured to output anything other than PCM.

3) Random freezes

4) Random reeboots

5) Set would randomly tuen itself on

6) Satellite tuner kept deleting wanted channels, and adding-back unwanted ones...

No amount of 'factory resets' or tinkering with the configuration would solve these issues. - My personal and professional opinion is that they are completely unfit for purpose and should not be on sale to the public.

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rooobb — Thu, 28 Jan 2016 17:02:52 GMT

Please @Caledonian_TV let's stop spamming every thread: you have addressed him to the thread of complains, I think it's enough. My personal opinion is that it is a very good TV, with some bugs (very minor in my own set, severe for the users who write in that thread) in the operating system on which Sony is working releasing several fixes.

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Caledonian_TV — Thu, 28 Jan 2016 18:19:47 GMT

@rooobb wrote:
Please @Caledonian_TV let's stop spamming every thread: you have addressed him to the thread of complains, I think it's enough. My personal opinion is that it is a very good TV, with some bugs (very minor in my own set, severe for the users who write in that thread) in the operating system on which Sony is working releasing several fixes.

Roob... You're another one who can refer to the response given in Arkell Vs Pressdram! "Every thread" - tell me; do Sony have a special supply of straw men that they supply to their fanboys? - Because it strikes me that this is 'all they have' in terms of trying to defend the indefensible...

@Did you miss the bit where the O/P wrote:

"Anything else which should bother me to not purchase an X85 series?"

...Or would you prefer that they just get the 'party line' from Sony and remain ignorant to the very real issues that have impacted on many many people who have been lumbered with these things?

One of the things that really infuriates me is the way in which Sony have deployed their fanboys to try and interfere with the truth about these sets getting out on social media... These sets are a disaster! An unmitigated DISASTER! - That the the likes of you should try to paint the truth as "spam" is risible! - And indicative of just how desperate Sony are!

Sorry Roob... Sony haven't bought MY silence!

And NO! - I WON'T stop trying to help people by warning them off a piece of improperly- tested junk that should never have reached the market. - And that's not just a personal opinion, but a PROFESSIONAL one which I'm quite happy to defend in court!

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rooobb — Thu, 28 Jan 2016 18:39:17 GMT

No comment. My tv is working fine your old set no: that's it. Or you want to convince me that my tv is not working? Or that sony built my own set better because i'm a "fanboy"?

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Caledonian_TV — Thu, 28 Jan 2016 19:00:21 GMT

...So one set (yours) is working 'fine'; allegedly. So what? There is a great deal of evidence to suggest that thousands of these sets are a complete and utter disaster! Not just my old set... Even those on display in the very shops that are trying to flog them to an unsuspecting public are showing the very same symptoms! - And there is a common thread as to exactly how they misbehave...

You literally cannot buy one, connect it to nothing more than a mains supply and an aerial, and hope to watch ordinary TV programmes without problems...

And the fact is, that in the eight months since they released them, Sony have done hee-haw to solve these problems...

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Anonymous — Thu, 28 Jan 2016 19:03:27 GMT

@Caledonian_TV wrote:

Roob... You're another one who can refer to the response given in Arkell Vs Pressdram! "Every thread" -

Who the others?

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Caledonian_TV — Thu, 28 Jan 2016 19:13:42 GMT

All the others who would rather censor the truth via (variously) direct censorship, infiltration and attempting to shoot the messenger! - Many of whom appear to be directly or indirectly in Sony's pocket!

Some know who they are, others need it spelled out!

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Anonymous — Thu, 28 Jan 2016 19:13:47 GMT

@Caledonian_TV wrote:

You literally cannot buy one, connect it to nothing more than a mains supply and an aerial, and hope to watch ordinary TV programmes without problems...

Incorrect. Im watching mine now - sweeping generalisations

Granted, some people have tvs that have issues but the overwhelming majority do not share your experience (thankfully).

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rooobb — Thu, 28 Jan 2016 19:17:17 GMT

Understood, you have the truth.

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Caledonian_TV — Thu, 28 Jan 2016 19:20:45 GMT

No... Not incorrect at all; as the complaints of hundreds of people, broken-down sets sitting on display in the shops and piles of returned sets behind the service counters clearly indicate...

As for "sweeping generalisations" - You really can't help but contradict yourself can you? Are you calling the GREAT MANY people who have returned these sets as faulty liars now? Is that the Sony way? - Censorship doesn't work, shilling doesn't work...

You are familiar with the story of the Emperor's new clothese aren't you?

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Caledonian_TV — Thu, 28 Jan 2016 19:24:10 GMT

@rooobb wrote:
Understood, you have the truth.

What do you not understand about straw-man arguments being only to your own discredit in all but the eyes of fools?

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Anonymous — Thu, 28 Jan 2016 19:26:58 GMT

Deflection by personal attack and using the dead cat arguement

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lancey_ss — Thu, 28 Jan 2016 19:31:55 GMT

Wow, I didn't know a simple question would ignite such a flame war.

Anyways, i've opted today for the Sony X8507C and my Philips is already on it's way back.

Generally, there's no single major TV manufacturer forum which is not clogged by complaints of their "smart" TV sets. I think this is indicative of the TV sets industry, where every one manufacturer has opted to go with his own platform and be the best. And the results we (the end users) are harvesting now.

Android TV is maybe an attempt to actually consolidate things up a bit, and make it more attractive and easy for app developers to reach a wider audience. We are yet to see things like HBO GO on it, so time will tell..

I'm generally after a good quality 4K picture and 5.1 DD sound out via ARC when watching TV - these two things would be more than enough for me.

I'll report back in a week how the experiment goes... Thanks everyone for sharing your opinion and stop shooting all over.

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Caledonian_TV — Thu, 28 Jan 2016 19:31:57 GMT

@Quinnicus wrote:
Deflection by personal attack and using the dead cat arguement

- Then why are you now indulging in exactly that? Factually the attacks on me and on the facts have been via entirely straw-man arguments. It's unfortunate if those who can only indulge in these are made uncomfortable by the reality of these being highlighted. - As I said previously; this, combined with infiltration and censorship seems to be the best 'Sony' can do by way of defending this farce.

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Anonymous — Thu, 28 Jan 2016 19:41:50 GMT

@Caledonian_TV wrote:

- As I said previously; this, combined with infiltration and censorship seems to be the best 'Sony' can do by way of defending this farce.

yet no evidence provided. Nice use of 'the big lie' technique

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Caledonian_TV — Thu, 28 Jan 2016 19:48:29 GMT

@lancey_ss wrote:
Wow, I didn't know a simple question would ignite such a flame war.

Unfortunately Sony have been 'working hard' to deflect attention from the very real problems that exist with these sets. And for months now there have been allegations of censorship, corporate shilling and general infiltration of social media in the efforts to do so... I am of these opinion these allegations are well founded.

I'm afraid the reality here is that the problems that Sony have with these sets far exceed those of other manufacturers... Seriously; it's not just a case of 'touchy' Android apps you can either 'take or leave'... And as an experienced, trained and qualified broadcast technician my advice to anyone considering the purchase of one of is not to touch one with the proverbial 10-foot barge-pole...

And that's based on the experience of having suffered one of these disaster areas in my own home for some six weeks or so...

Sony's little pets don't like the fact that a qualified technician is prepared to call these things out...

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Caledonian_TV — Thu, 28 Jan 2016 19:52:58 GMT

@Quinnicus wrote:
@Caledonian_TV wrote:
- As I said previously; this, combined with infiltration and censorship seems to be the best 'Sony' can do by way of defending this farce.
yet no evidence provided. Nice use of 'the big lie' technique

So... 450+ pages, thousands of posts from hundreds of disgrunteld customers complaining of very serious problems - on this one forum alone - is all part of a "big lie" then? Really? Is that the best Sony can do? Hysterical!